Dismantling Not Our Guy's video on Corey Mahler
Not Our Guy, an advent hater of dissidents and the far right, created a video about Corey Mahler, he distorts information and is beyond disingenuous in his responses.
This is the video in which I’ll be refuting, point by point. Timestamp will be provided in the rebuttal.
The term “Christian Prince”
This is true, that according to Luther, Hitler would be considered a Christian Prince because he is leading a Christian nation. Not all the Emperors and Princes of Luther's day were perfect pious Christians, and yet, they were Christian Princes.
If you read The Jews and Their Lies, or ‘Whether Soldiers can be saved’ Luther gives the Prince a large authority of the sword, and who can be killed by it. The Prince is above the law, and can use the sword against his enemies.
The term Prince is used throughout the Old Testament, as well as by Luther, this is why he’s referring to Hitler as such, it’s a word that can be used with other terms such as leader, king, emperor, noblemen, etc.
Everything that Luther recommended against the Jews, was carried out by Hitler:
"What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews":
"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …" [Kristallnacht, although Hitler was against this]
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed." [Kristallnacht]
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them." [The Reich Chamber of Culture Laws]
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …" [Reich Ministry of Education, issued in 1938, prohibited Jews from teaching in public schools.]
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside" [The Nuremberg Laws]
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …" [The 1933 Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service]
"Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country …" [Literally every single concertation camp]
Martin Luther
A few quick points about the National Socialist state:
It was not a utopia perfect state with no flaws
It was not a 100% Christian State with NOTHING wrong
This seems to be what NotOurGuy believes that is what is being stated?
2:11 - NotOurGuy isn’t listening?
On 2:11 NotOurGuy cites a study that says World War II is among the most interesting periods of history for Brits (Why did he use Brits, when Corey is American?)
This also isn’t what Corey said, if you watch the clip within the video, paraphrasing what Corey said:
“But if you take an interest in the Third Reich, suddenly everyone has quite the interest on why you are interested in that subject”
What NotOurGuy failed to understand, or even listen to, was the reference to the Third Reich, and not an interest into World War 2 as a general topic. And this is clearly a favorable view towards the Third Reich of which Malher is referencing. If NotOurGuy couldn’t see that, he has horrible social cue[s] understanding. So NotOurGuy refutes a point for about 30 seconds to a minute on a claim never made. Questionging the Holocaust is hardly accepted in Academic Circles, I’d like to know where this is happening if NotOurGuy can provide them (Twitter doesn’t count). A great start!
5:20 - The Christians in Germany
NotOurGuy as a response to Corey’s argument on Christians and how many there were, he says:
Corey’s argument is compelling until you do any research into the topic. I don’t even know where he gets these figures from.
This statement from NotOurGuy is baffling. First he claims the answer is obvious from research, but then doesn’t know where these figures or statements come from? He’s been fighting Christians who don’t hate Hitler on Twitter, he sides with pagans against Christians who don’t hate National Socialism, and yet he doesn’t know about where these statements or numbers of Churches being built or Christian Demographics come from? I find this to be very telling of the character of the person we are dealing with.
In my personal interactions with NotOurGuy, he always seems to Strawman and present hypotheticals instead of arguing actual points. So let’s provide the information that NotOurGuy is clearly missing (even though he claims to do research).
A first and very obvious one he shouldn’t known was the one from Nuremberg
"According to the 1939 census, 95% of Germans were either Protestant or Catholic. From 1933 to 1939, only 1.4% left the church. According to statistics, most political leaders remained faithful to the church. They returned to the church after 1933 and actively participated in her as members of Protestant church councils and synods, for example. Many of the clergy were members of the NSDAP and political leaders.
- Dr. Link, giving testimony before the Nuremberg Tribunal Commission on August 3, 1946 [Official Commission Transcript, Leadership Corps Affidavits, August 3, 1946, p. 50]
The main point Corey made was that Germany was MORE Christian under Hitler’s government THAN ANY POINT AFTER.
Hitler did build churches, many of which still stand today. The Christ-Resurrection Cathedral in Berlin was constructed in 1938 by the direct commission of Adolf Hitler’s government as a gift to the Russian Orthodox Church. The plot of land was even purchased by the German government for this project. The Reich helped resettle and maintain Orthodox Christian refugees who fled the Soviet Union.
As financial means for this were lacking, the government [Hitler's Government] declared that it would support the building project. After the government had made available a place for the building on Hohenzollerndamm.
- Haugg, Kirche des Ostens, pp. 297-300.
Adolf Hitler and Field Marshal Mackensen both gave donations to the new Protestant Church in Dortmund-Menged, 16 October 1937
The information from the evangelical weekly "Auf der Warte" about the grand opening of the church in Dortmund-Menged is correct. The Evangelical Society of the parish in Dortmund-Menged, by letter dated 16.10.37 from the Secretary of State and Head of the Reich Chancellery in Berlin, based on a petition to the Fuhrer and the Reich Chancellor, received the sum of 200 Reichsmarks as a donation for the newly built church in Dortmund-Nett. With this money, the parish society purchased altar lights.
Field Marshal von Mackensen presented a Bible with a handwritten inscription: “I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ.”
Another witness to the mass building of churches is from Hans Schmidt:
Permit me, someone who lived under the Swastika flag from 1935, when the Saar was reunited with Germany, to 1945, to give a short answer.
To be a boy or girl at that time was wonderful. In the Hitler Youth the differences between Christian denominations or the different German states didn’t count.
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At the very time when America’s allies, the Soviets, destroyed most of the Christian churches in Russia and Ukraine, about 2500 new churches were built in Germany. NOT ONE Christian church was closed. It was the law that school and church had priority over service in the Hitler Youth. As late as the fall of 1944, the Waffen SS barracks in Breslau supplied two buses to take youth to either the nearest Catholic or Protestant church every Sunday. To be a registered member of a Christian church did not prevent advancement in the National Socialist Party.
Hans Schmidt described his life in the Third Reich. His book also talks about this in “SS Panzergrednadier, a true story of World War II” you can get a free PDF online.
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The Church’s claim today that they opposed Hitler and that NS was against the Church, what do you say?
“Utter rubbish, they only told the victors what they wanted to hear. The Fuhrer had a deep love and respect for religion, where we ran afoul is that we refused to give any one denomination our endorsement. The Pope had a very good relationship with the Fuhrer and party. In fact, we ordered large sums of money to go to restoring and building houses of God. Christianity was our faith for two thousand years and was not going anywhere. What might seem like attacks on the Church was NS trying to remove the Jewish influence. We had a Church system heavily infiltrated by the very people who opposed Christ and hated the Cross. This caused many issues as we forced them out and some Christians refused to understand why. We NS had no time for the petty infighting and had to be tough on the flock sometimes, but we protected the Church, and I attended many SS weddings in Church’s. There was no war on the Church; we honored our Creator by protecting our past."
Rudolf Jordan, Gauleiter [District leader] of Halle-Merseburg and Magdeburg-Anhalt in an Interview in Munich, 1987. SOURCE COHORBORATES WITH BUILDING OF 900 CHURCHES.
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Not in any way, under NS Germany was the most religious friendly its ever been since the age of Charlemagne. He battle a few in the Catholic Church who wanted to try to use him but peace was made in the end. The Führers first act was to start rebuilding Churches. There was a strict separation of state and Church so no one could bribe to power. The state was pro Christian. Our enemies made up this lie to convince the masses that NS is ungodly and hostile to Christians. Nothing could be further from the truth. The party made sure the Church could not dictate the state, but the state was clear the Church in Germany was the most important thing we have as it signified our bond by blood to God. The Führer again and again used God in his speeches and talks. Telling the folk, we are working for a higher power and show them Gods love. This was the man we were proud to call our leader. He loved our Germany, God and us so we loved him.
- Wilhelm Brachmann, This is a 1983 interview done with Wilhelm Brachmann, pastor, professor and German Christians member, Munich. SOURCE COHORBORATES WITH BUILDING OF 900 CHURCHES
Since January 30, 1933, the National Socialist state has made the following sums available to the two Churches in public tax revenues through its state bodies:
- in the 1933 fiscal year, 130 million Reichsmarks;
- in fiscal year 1934, 170 million;
- in fiscal year 1935, 250 million;
- in fiscal year 1936, 320 million;
- in fiscal year 1937, 400 million;
- in 1938 fiscal year, 500 million Reichsmarks.
In addition, churches receive annually around 85 million Reichsmarks in subsidies from the Länder and around 7 million Reichsmarks in subsidies from municipalities and municipal associations.
These are but few examples supporting the original point.
5:50 - Pre-WW2 Europe wasn’t falling to secularism?
I do not know why NotOurGuy believes that secularism wasn’t rising in pre-WW2 Europe? By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, church attendance in urban areas of Western Europe had begun to decline, especially in countries like France, the United Kingdom, and Germany.
The 1905 Law on the Separation of Churches and State in France was a significant move towards secularism, reducing the Church's institutional influence. By 1914, only 10% of French Catholics were considered regular churchgoers.
Cabaret singer Claire Waldoff and actress Marlene Dietrich lived and worked in Berlin's queer neighborhoods during the early 20th century, The first gay demonstration ever also started in Berlin in 1922. The Reichstag nearly decriminalized homosexuality in 1929, before the year's economic crash made a final vote impossible.
Magnus Hirschfeld was the most prominent of this sexual immoral revolution. This is secularization.
“Hotels & pensions made vast fortunes by letting rooms by the hour or day to...unregistered guests, throngs of child prostitutes outside the doors of the great Berlin hotels/restaurants. Most of them (nightclubs/resorts) owned & managed by Jews.”
(Mowrer, 1939).
There are no fewer than 17 different prostitute types: 8 outdoor types and 9 indoor ones, each w/ their specialities and slang terminology. Children are freely available for sex in brothels, pharmacies and/or delivered to clients by taxi. More info
NotOurGuy, in his lack of research, failed to see that the secularization of the West was already taking place, and was mostly happening in Germany itself, a plague to the National Socialist values entirely. But instead of engaging honestly, NotOurGuy searches up a graph, and ignores the rest of history because he found a cool graph that supports his viewpoint. (No source either)
Luigi Barzini, in his social memoir The Europeans, describes a scene in the sleazy bordellos of sex-crazed Berlin in the 1920s, the Golden Age of the Jews:
“I saw pimps offering anything to anybody: little boys, little girls, robust young men, libidinous women, animals. The story went the rounds that a male goose whose neck you cut at just the right ecstatic moment would give you the most delicious frisson of all—as it allowed you to enjoy sodomy, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia and sadism at one stroke. Gastronomy too, as one could eat the goose afterwards.”
NotOurGuy also fails to even consider what organizations came out during the secularization of Europe in the 19th and 20th century with Marx and Freud and the Frankfurt School. Marx was the father of Communism, the other the founder of the cult known as psychoanalysis and described as a “vile sex crazed creep“ with their intent on “the transvaluation of all values” and the destruction of Christianity and traditional norms. Sexual “liberation”, feminism, hedonism, homosexuality, pornography, drug culture, avante-garde art, materialist consumption, general decadence, and the systematic creation of mass misery were the hallmarks of this school of thought.
This is quite literally the secularization we see today, and this was happening in pre-Hitler Germany, and throughout Europe. Going back to the Frankfurt School, they made the following recommendations, all of them calculated to undermine the foundations of society and create the secular world we now see all around us:
1. The creation of racism offences and hate speech laws.
2. Masturbation propaganda in schools
3. The systematic promotion of sexual deviance in society.
4. Encouraging the breakdown of the family.
5. All all-out attack on Christianity and the emptying of churches.
Yet according to NotOurGuy, there wasn’t a secularization that was so evil, so vile, that if offends ones intellect to assume this was not happening. This is just mostly touching on Germany, becuase the evidence in Germany is so stark, so vast, and so utterly brutal only a fool could deny.
But hey, he has a graph about Religious adherence (In America?) which apparently means secularization wasn’t rapid around the main centers of the West?
6:43 - Missing Context
This "war" against the Catholic Church (that never happened) referred to the Church’s political influence and its power to mobilize and challenge the Nazi regime, particularly the church's political arm, which supported the Center Party. The "war" mentioned here wasn't about religious persecution but about undermining the Church's political power.
Anyone who’s read anything of Hitler or even the American Founding Fathers, there was a strict rule on separation between church and state, as Goebbels put it, let the Church guide the souls of man, and let the leaders guide the worldly men. (paraphrasing pretty badly). As Goebbels later defines what he’s talking about:
"The Church [Roman Catholic], as an institution, has too much power over the people. The influence of the clergy over German society is far too great. In the past, we have been too hesitant in dealing with them. This must stop. The Church must no longer have the ability to influence politics or control the masses. We will fight them wherever they stand in our way. We will take action to undermine their influence, especially among the working class and in schools. Our aim is not only to reduce their power, but to eradicate it from all areas of life."
Goebbels, September 12, 1931 (Pre-Election)
Goebbels writes this in 1931 while at political war with Catholic Parties, which even with Bismarck, the church was to stay out of Politics and Bismarck worked hard at keeping the Catholic Church out of the state. Also should be noted we have no clue what Hitler said, this is Goebbels interpretation.
What we do know is that after their political victory, there was no further incursion of the Catholic Church, nor a dismantling of it. When Hitler came to power in 1933, they entered into a Reichskonkordat with the Vatican.
7:41 - The Thousands of Churches
The thousands of churches comes from yes, the renovations and rejuvenation of the churches, the construction of 2 churches listed earlier that were personally involved with Hitler in one way or another, and the largest number comes from Hans Schmidt. Seeing NotOurGuy is a Holocaust Believer, I hope he is logically consistent with his views of eye witnesses, or does that only apply when it favors him?
Permit me, someone who lived under the Swastika flag from 1935, when the Saar was reunited with Germany, to 1945, to give a short answer.
To be a boy or girl at that time was wonderful. In the Hitler Youth the differences between Christian denominations or the different German states didn’t count. We all truly felt that we were members of one body of people – one nation. Youth hostels were opened all over the Reich, enabling us to hike from one beautiful town to another seeing our fatherland. Every effort was made to strengthen our minds and bodies. Contrary to what is said today, we were encouraged to become free in spirit, and not to succumb to peer (or authority) pressure. In peacetime, NO military training was allowed by the Hitler Youth leadership; scouting yes. Incidentally, to “snitch on our parents” was frowned upon.
At the very time when America’s allies, the Soviets, destroyed most of the Christian churches in Russia and Ukraine, about 2500 new churches were built in Germany. NOT ONE Christian church was closed. It was the law that school and church had priority over service in the Hitler Youth.** As late as the fall of 1944, the Waffen SS barracks in Breslau supplied two buses to take youth to either the nearest Catholic or Protestant church every Sunday**. To be a registered member of a Christian church did not prevent advancement in the National Socialist Party.
Germany was National Socialist, but free enterprise flourished during the entire Hitler years. No company was nationalized. No small businessman was stopped from opening up his own store. I myself worked during the war for a company that can only be called part of international capitalism. If you owned shares, nobody confiscated them, like the allies did in 1945.
Hans Schmidt
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It might seem somewhat surprising to learn that over 900 church buildings were either built new or substantially renovated during the time of National Socialist rule. Many of these projects were influenced by members of the Reich Office for Ecclesiastical Art in the German Protestant Church (Reichsamt für kirchliche Kunst in der Deutschen Evangelischen Kirche), which evolved into the Protestant Reich Association of Christian Art (Evangelische Reichsgemeinschaft christlicher Kunst), a newly formed organization incorporated (gleichgeschaltet) into Josef Goebbels’ National Socialist Reich Chamber of Culture (Reichskulturkammer).
- 900 Churches Build Source > Gedenkstätte Deutscher Widerstand, Christenkreuz und Hakenkreuz: Kirchenbau und sakrale Kunst im Nationalsozialismus, Exhibition, Berlin, 21 June 2008.
8:02 - Table Talks quotes?
Table Talks is rarely a good source until there is correlation. As for the one referenced at 8:02, it is purely pragmatic:
"Hitler said that the destruction of churches, like the destruction of many other buildings, is a small price to pay for the success of the war. Only those churches which have historical value will be rebuilt. All the others will remain destroyed. We cannot be sentimental about buildings, for what matters is the victory and the creation of a new Germany."
Boorman, no direct quote from Hitler.
I don’t know if NotOurGuy expected Hitler to rebuild churches in the midst of a war? I do not know why he used this quote at all as some sort of slam dunk that Hitler wouldn’t rebuild them after the war?
This is one of the major problems with Hitler’s Table Talks. Heim’s notes have never been authenticated. The notes are not in the “first person. These table talks were written down by Martin Bormann’s aides, Heinrich Heim and Henry Picker, from 1941 to 1944. Aside from Heim and Picker, there are two more “table talks” authors, Bormann himself, “who contributed at least four entries, and a man known only as Müller.” Henry Picker took over as Bormann’s secretary/adjutant from Heim. He found a lot of Heim’s notes in his desk and rewrote them in reported speech and published them and his own notes as Hitlers Tischgespräche.
8:43 - Disingenuous
Okay this will be a quick one, but to say the Holocaust doesn’t generally revolve around the particular Jewish claimed murder of 6,000,000 Jews is just beyond disingenuous. I grew up and learned the same thing, 6,000,000 Jews, the Jews had the priority for death, it was a unique hatred, a unique evil a unique mass extermination of the Jewish race. For NotOurGuy to not at least admit this, and debate against it, is just beyond disingenuous.
“Papers and Papers on this topic [about non-Jewish victims]” is a generalization fallacy, and not even what was being argued by Corey. Corey explicitly said it this is what he was taught while he was growing up.
11:23 - NotOurGuy would condemn God
I want to do a bit of a thought experiment with NotOurGuy, who has a contention with the following:
”Is it improper for a person to have a disgust response for someone who is advocating for the righteousness of a state that made it a matter of policy to kill women and children depending on what their genes were? Absolutely not.
Going off what is said here, does NotOurGuy condemn our Lord, when in 1 Samuel 15 destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, and livestock? This is, by modern definition, a genocide. A racial one at that. God picked a specific people as a collective, an evil people, the Amalekites, and ordered the killing sparing none.
What did the children do wrong? The suckling infants at the mother’s breast? Their only crime was being an Amalekite, that is, by their genes.
So I’d like NotOurGuy to be logically consistent, and condemn the God he claims to worship. I am a servant to my Lord, whatever he says, no matter what modernist like NotOurGuy says, he is right. When God commanded the death of that people, he is right. Let us see if NotOurGuy will say the same?
I am not supporting the killing of anyone that is not under God’s New Covenant with State instituted as his sword. But NotOurGuy has a universal condemnation of killing women and children, I am curious his response to this.
12:10 - Centrist Talking Points
Okay this is just a nonsensical strange remark from like a Baptist pastor or something. Degeneracy is a degree of sins, in a ranking of vile sins, degeneracy is a sin so far from normative or natural, that it is utterly degenerate. Greater and lesser sins, vile and less vile sins are quite obvious.
This isn’t really a rebuttal to what Mahler is stating, just a very liberal view NotOurGuy has on sin, and vile sins.
12:51 - Individualism VS Collectivism
“The Value of individuals is paramount, we see this all throughout scripture”
NotOurGuy doesn’t even elaborate on this, he quotes Matthew, about how God will leave the 99 for 1 lost sheep? This isn’t even the contention Malaher is bringing up, this is just a run off remark, not even about Collectivism VS Individualism.
NotOurGuy in his initial statements seems to not agree with Mahler, although later agrees American Individualism [which is what Mahlher was speaking against] is not good? His arguments are not coherent whatsoever.
What is a much stronger claim is that God, who does not change, dealt with the MAJORITY of humanity as collectives, and hardly as individuals.
Genesis 15:16 – God’s Judgment on the Amorites
“In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.” (Genesis 15:16)
This indicates that God's judgment on nations is sometimes delayed until their collective sin reaches a certain point, and the punishment is aimed at the nation as a collective, and not individuals.
Leviticus 18:24-30 – The Land Defiled by Collective Sin
“Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants.” (Leviticus 18:24-25)
“But the land you are entering to take possession of it is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples; they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other.” (Leviticus 18:27-28)
God judges entire nations (collectives) and even the land itself for the collective sins of its people.
Deuteronomy 9:4-5
“After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, ‘The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.’ No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you.” (Deuteronomy 9:4)
Once again, God is punishing whole nations collectively for their sinfulness.
Matthew 23:37-39
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” (Matthew 23:37-39)
Jesus refers to Jerusalem as a collective and predicts its downfall due to its collective rejection of God’s message.
So I would love to see where “The Value of individuals is paramount, we see this all throughout scripture” that is being grabbed from?
14:02 - A Lutheran State?
14:51 - Doesn’t reference which handbook
Don’t know which handbook he is referencing, but we have the SS Handbook
Are we fighting the church?
This reproach has always been made against us by internal enemies together with the first; that is what our external enemies accuse us of today in the most spiteful way. The Fuhrer has emphasized infinitely that the Church and its priests always enjoy the protection of the state provided that they are dedicated exclusively to pastoral care and do not contravene the political will of the people.
Too often and too gladly, the confrontation of the individual with an old doctrine is equated with "state tolerated" attacks against the church. Basically, it can be said that at all times and for all peoples there were upheavals in the religious field; one will not want to deny the right of our time to be allowed to seek a belief in God that is in our nature."
SS Handbook For the Ideological Education of the Troops, Topic 4.
14:55 - More Table Talks
No way to authenticate this, especially with Rosenberg, a Pagan put anti-clerical and anti-Christian views in his book contradicted National Socialism, he added to the book “The Myth of the 20th Century” it had to be written in every edition that the book was the "private opinion of the author". Hitler doubles downs on this when speaking with a Church Official:
"I am personally convinced of the great power and deep significance of Christianity, and I won't allow any other religion to be promoted. That is why I have turned away from Ludendorff and that is why I reject that book by Rosenberg. It was written by a Protestant. It is not a Party book. It was not written by him as a Party man. The Protestants can be left to argue with him ... As a Catholic I never feel comfortable in the Evangelical Church or its structures. That is why I will have great difficulty if I try to regulate affairs of the Protestant churches. The evangelical people or the Protestants will in any case reject me. But you can be sure: I will protect the rights and freedoms of the churches and not let them be touched, so that you need have no fears about the future of the Church."
Hitler rejects the book written by Rosenberg, and states it’s not written as a party book (which is correct). Also, it seems NotOurGuy mentions every anti-Christian (Boorman and Rosenberg, literal Pagans) of Hitler’s Inner circle, but runs away from mentioning Goring, also apart of Hitler’s inner circle?
As to the attitude towards the Church- the Fuehrer's attitude was a generous one, at the beginning absolutely generous. I should not like to say that it was positive in the sense that he himself was a positive or convinced adherent of any one confession, but it was generous and positive in the sense that he recognized the necessity of the Church. Although he himself was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant Church to have a stronger position in Germany, since Germany was two-thirds Protestant. The Protestant Church, however, was divided into provincial churches, and there were various small differences that the dogmatists took very seriously. For that reason they once in the past, as we know, fought each other for 30 years; but these differences did not seem so important to us. There were the Reformed, the United, and the pure Lutherans--I myself am not an expert in this field.
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I had numerous connections with the higher Catholic clergy because of my Catholic mother, and thus--I am myself a Protestant--I had a view of both camps. One thing, of course, the Fuehrer and all of us, I, too, stood for was to remove politics from the Church as far as was possible. I did not consider it right, I must frankly say, that on one day the priest in church should humbly concern himself with the spiritual welfare of his flock and then on the following day make a more or less belligerent speech in parliament.
We planned a separation, that is to say, the clergy were to concentrate on their own sphere and refrain from becoming involved in political matters. Owing to the fact that we had in Germany political parties with strong church leanings, considerable confusion had arisen here. That is the explanation of the fact that, because of this political opposition that at first played its role in the political field in parliament, and in election campaigns, there arose among certain of our people an antagonistic attitude toward the Church.
For one must not forget that such election disputes and speeches often took place before the electors between political representatives of our Party and clergymen who represented those political parties which were more closely bound to the Church. Because of this situation and a certain animosity, it is understandable that a more rabid faction--if I may use that expression in this connection--did not forget these contentions and now, on its side, carried the struggle on again on a false level. But the Fuehrer's attitude was that the churches should be given the chance to exist and develop.
Herman Goering, 1946
So Goering contradicts what NotOurGuy is stating, not only would the church exist, but would also develop.
Hitler on the Church in 1942:
"Very long and remarkably calm conversation with Adolf Hitler about churches and religion.
Bormann had complained about the fact that the army and navy went to church during service [...]
Surprisingly, Adolf Hitler refused to intervene. He spoke about his attitude towards churches. He remains a member of the Catholic Church and will continue to be so"
- Heeresadjutant bei Hitler, 1938-1943 Aufzeichnungen des Majors Engel, pp.30. Quote to be around 1941-1942 based on context and Engel's role as adjutant
Also important to remember Hitler's government banned all anti-Christian writings. This was a blacklist law, regulation, by the The Reich Chamber of Culture (Reichskulturkammer)
“All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the People”
"The Origins of Christianity" by Bruno Bauer: A highly critical work that denied the divinity of Jesus and rejected Christianity. Bauer’s writings were controversial and deemed subversive by the Nazis, especially in their anti-Christian sentiment.
"The Critique of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right" by Karl Marx: In this work, Marx critiques religion and Christianity as instruments of oppression and tools to maintain social order for the ruling class. It would have been banned under Nazi law.
"The Gospel of the Buddha" and other Buddhist or Eastern religious critiques of Christianity were banned because they were seen as undermining the authority of the Christian faith.
Another important point is that the The OSS Black Reports (The CIA's forerunner) from 1944, discussed some details of the agency's infiltration into the German and Roman Catholic ranks.
It stated that:
"Dominicans and Jesuits are considered the first and most important in the underground,"
Perhaps NotOurGuy should look a bit deeper into these topics, instead of regurgitated Highschool talking points. Hitler Publically stated:
“It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. **It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and State, under its firm protection** …. May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with Trust of our Volk.”
- Adolf Hitler Beobachter, 5 August 1935
So let me get this straight:
Hitler builds churches (900-2000), and helps fund them
He promotes Christianity throughout his society, bans anti-Christian writings
SS Drives Hitler Youth to Churches every Sunday (at least in some areas)
Posted Christian Wehrmacht publication’s into his army
Had a Catholic chapel in the SS Leibstandarte Lichterfeld Barracks
Banned Satanic Free-Masonry and other Pagan Sects
All of this to… suddenly then rug pull his 95% Christian Population into a racial religion? If I were to dismantle Christianity, why not do what the Soviets did? And actually destroyed the churches physically and removed them socially from all aspects of life. I’d start in 1933, wouldn’t mention it at all, and slowly take it out of public life, I would not drive Hitler Youth to Church, I would not promote Christianity in my speeches, I would not build and fund churches, this is utterly backwards, which once again, goes to show how deluded Boorman and Rosenberg were, as well as the fallaciousness of the Table Talks.
16:24 - Rudolf Hess
This is either a lie, or a contradiction. Hitler had the Virgin Mary all throughout his apartment
Kurt-Wilhelm Lüdecke, a close friend of the early Nazi circle, said in Montreal, in 1932, before Hitler was even the Führer:
"I was in his intimacy and I heard his confidence. I can speak of this with no problem since I am an unbeliever. Hitler has a fancy like all great men. His fancy is the Virgin Mary. He even claims that it is her who saved him when he was wounded in the trenches during the war, that he saw her, that she told him he had the mission to save Europe. We must forgive him for this weakness, because if this was not that one, it might be a weakness of a more serious kind."
The great British economist Arthur W. Kitson, after an internship with Hitler in Berchtesgaden, wrote to a Canadian, among others things:
"I have been in the strictest intimacy with Hitler. It is indisputably a genius. No need to go into details; to list the main lines is enough in his case. There is one thing I do not like about this man: too many Virgin Mary's and crucifixes in his private apartments, it reeks properly."
What is even NotOurGuy’s argument? Either Hitler was once Christian, and became disillusioned later on, or he was never a Christian, which would contradict almost every early writing as well as their own party program, and private conversations.
17:33 - Third Time NotOurGuy has NOT Listened
Okay this is getting a bit ridiculous. Either Autism or ADHD is starting to pry through NotOurGuy here. Mahler explicitly says when referring to the rise of an American Fascism:
“It wouldn’t be German National Socialism, it wouldn’t be Italian Fascism, it wouldn’t be Spanish Fascism. It would be American Christian Nationalism”
Mahler
I don’t know the exact views of Mahler on whether he believes Hitler state was a totally Christian, 100% Utopia with not a blot on it, but I am not of that opinion. And Mahler clearly distances the American Christian Nationalism FROM Hitler’s National Socialism.
And what does NotOurGuy do? Quotes Hitler…
Hitler was advent about the State and Church being separate, no one denies this, this is quite throughout his policy, applying this to the context of what Malher saying is ridiculous, the fact this is even in the video is baffling.
18:37 - State Funded, Thousands of Copies
Not a single source provided, not entirely doubting it’s validity, but to make these statements without providing some sort of source is disingenuous. The German Christians did not get rid of the Old Testament, nor did they intend to, as outlined in their 28 theses. As mentioned rightly by Malher, as with everything, there were fringe elements. An exception to a rule doesn’t violate the rule.
After further research, I am unable to find whether this was state funded? There exists no direct financial records showing the Nazi state funded the German Christian Bible specifically, or indirect support through the Reich Ministry for Church Affairs.
Please provide the evidence for the claim:
“This [The German Christian Bible?] was funded by STATE MONEY” … “They were willing to put tax money behind this!”
NotOurGuy
Also, the physical copies show alterations such as the omission of sections of the Old Testament, not removal of the entire Old Testament. There is only one copy that exists currently.
The 28 Theses of the German Christians makes it utterly clear their views, see Point 12:
The Old Testament does not have the same value. The specifically Jewish national morality and national religion have been superseded. The Old Testament remains important because it records the history and decline of a people that repeatedly separated itself from God despite His revelation. The prophets of God4 show us all: The position of a nation relative to God is decisive for its fate in history.
This is objectively correct, the Old Covenant is obsolete and has disappeared. (Hebrews 8:13)
20:27- This is just not an argument
Mahler already stated Hitler could be lying, but based on action it seems not. Building and funding within Christendom is, at the very least, an honorable action, and a pious one.
25:31 - More disingenuous arguments
The Jews, who killed our Lord Jesus Christ, displease God, and are hostile to all men. Yes, this is, the Jews, as a people. Saint Stephen ties it to lineage and genetics while he’s being stoned to death by the Jews:
You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit, just as your fathers did.
[Just as your fathers did is a genetic connection to their ancestors, ones that lived hundreds of years before them]
Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him!
There are so few Jews who are actually Christians, and aren’t Judaizers, that Saint Paul correctly calls them a Remnant, for indeed, they are that small of a remnant.
The Jews do regard Saint Paul as a self-hating Jew, for yes, when he said “The Jews, who killed our Lord” he would be referring to himself, as a Jew.
But Saint Paul also did express his own racial love of his kin in Romans 9:3, this a great argument for Christian Kinism.
25:45 - Is Paul talking about all the Jews genetic root?
I’d say, yes. In NotOurGuy’s private interpretation, in which he makes himself his own Pope, he thinks otherwise.
Saint Stephen utterly proves it’s genetic, to say otherwise is beyond ignorant. This is how the Early Christians have interpreted it:
"The Jews are the descendants of those who killed the prophets, and they continue to reject the Messiah. Their rejection of Christ is not merely a sin of the present, but a continuation of the crimes of their ancestors."
Saint Jerome, Letter 75
"The Jews are like their forefathers who killed the prophets, and now they continue to reject Christ. Their ancestors are responsible for this crime, and their descendants continue in the same path of disobedience
Saint Jerome, Commentary on Matthew 23:29-36
"The Jews are condemned because of the sins of their ancestors. They have inherited the punishment of their forefathers, who refused to heed the words of God and killed the prophets."
Saint Jerome, Commentary on Ezekiel 20:21-26
“The Jews have no excuse, for they were the ones who rejected Christ, and they continue to carry the guilt of their ancestors who also rejected the prophets. Their lineage is cursed, and the consequences of their ancestors' sins still affect them today."
Tertullian, Against the Jews
"The Jews are a people who have been cursed, and the reason they remain so is that they are the descendants of those who killed Christ. Just as their ancestors rejected the prophets, so they have rejected the Savior, and this curse continues through their bloodline."
Saint John Chrysostom, Homily against the Jews
"The Jews have been punished by God for the sins of their forefathers, who rejected the prophets and crucified the Christ. Their punishment is just, for it is the punishment of those who continue in the same rebellious ways of their ancestors."
Origen, Against Celsus
“The Jews are the descendants of those who rejected Christ and killed the prophets. They are a people cursed because of the deeds of their ancestors. Even now, they persist in their rebellion, carrying the burden of their forefathers' sins."
Eusebius of Caesarea, Ecclesiastical History
“"The Jews, having crucified Christ, are cursed by the actions of their ancestors, and they will remain in spiritual blindness until the end of time. This curse is passed down to their descendants, for they are the children of those who rejected the Messiah."
Ambrose of Milan, Exameron
Sorry NotOurGuy, but I intend to follow the wisdom from the Early Fathers. And if your views time and time against go against that of the fathers, you, by every objective and moral measure, are WRONG.
You ought to as well, not lean on your own understanding or interpretation, lest you make yourself your own Pope. I am not wise enough alone to interpret Scriptures, the word of the Lord, so I will always refer to the fathers.
And if Saint Stephen and all the fathers mentioned above isn’t enough for you:
“Certainly it's the time for me to show that demons dwell in the Synagogue, not only in the place itself but also in the souls of the Jews.”
- Saint John Chrysostom
“If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch for their hands still stained with the blood of the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to anger instead?"
- Saint Basil the Great
"The Jewish people, following their irrational customs, are not only cursed but are in league with the devil himself, who leads them astray."
- Saint Epiphanius of Salamis
"The Jews are a cursed and depraved race... their hands are defiled with the blood of the saints... and their soul is polluted. They are the murderers of Christ and the enemies of the Christian name. Their deeds are impure and their customs are nothing but a mockery. For this reason, they will never find favor with God, as their very nature and blood have been corrupted."
- John Chrysostom, "Adversus Judaeos" (Against the Jews), specifically from his Eight Homilies Against the Jews
28:49 - 1942 Entries from Goebbels
There is a contention around the authenticity of the Goebbels diaries beyond 1938. Dr. Joseph Goebbels' handwritten diaries from 1941 do exist, although they are not complete for every day. For 1941 specifically, few original handwritten manuscripts survive. The glass plate records are incomplete as well. The period after October 16, 1938, is notably not covered by the microfilm tape of Joseph Goebbels' diaries. Nonetheless, the revisionist position is so strong, that incomplete diaries held by the Soviets do not even support NotOurGuy’s views.
Irving hardly references beyond 1938, much of the material he uses for the post-1938 period is problematic due to the incompleteness and potential manipulation of the sources. But of course, when it suits NotOurGuy’s argument, you take anything.
31:28 - Let’s not take interpretations of Hitler’s words
Relying on interpretations made by individuals (Rosenberg, Boorman) who had their own biases, particularly those from a non-Christian or "pagan" perspective, to understand the true intentions of Adolf Hitler regarding Christianity is intellectually inconsistent.
31:06 - More lies
Adhering to false authority fallacy incoming:
“Even Revisionist such as David Irving and Mark Weber accepted these diaries to be authentic”
Yeah but they didn’t, at least David Irving. He expressed concerns regarding the authenticity and reliability of the Goebbels diaries, particularly the later entries beyond 1938. Irving has been critical of the completeness and accuracy of the surviving records, especially for the period after 1938.
The particular contention from Irving is that the Goebbels diaries from 1941 and beyond are incomplete. This is partly due to the destruction of some of the original documents, and also because the later entries, which were originally handwritten, were not always transcribed in their entirety or consistently. The later entries are also notably more fragmented, and some portions were lost or destroyed during the war.
Irving’s Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich, addresses the issue of reliability:
“In the Goebbels diaries, as in the case of all Nazi documents, there are large gaps and inconsistencies. The period after October 1938, for instance, is not adequately covered in the surviving material. The later years of Goebbels' diary are problematic because the surviving records are often fragmentary and were written in a highly subjective manner.”
David Irving
Irving has always been cautious about accepting the authenticity of later portions of Goebbels' diaries, especially those after October 1938, why NotOurGuy failed to mention this is either his gross ignorance, or willful distortion.
37:44 - Instances of accuracy with Table Talks.
NotOurGuy makes this horrible argument, that suddenly because there are agreeing parties, we are to somehow believe all entries in Table Talk to be authentic based solely on the fact that some parts align with statements made by other Nazi officials like Rosenberg and Goebbels?
Hitler’s Table Talks was not a verbatim, unfiltered recording of all conversations but a collection of conversations Hitler had with his inner circle, most often transcribed and edited by his secretaries. These conversations were not always accurately or comprehensively transcribed. Going back to Heim, he testified in court that he rarely took any notes while in Hitler’s presence, and most were written the next day or even days later based on his memory.
None of the material in the Table Talks consists of the words of Hitler. No one was stenographically recording what he said as he said it. Heim and Picker, separately, simply hung out with Hitler during these rants, and then the next day wrote down their own thoughts about what he had said (as if in Hitler’s voice). So these are actually the words of Picker and Heim—not Hitler.
Many of the transcriptions from Table Talk were made years after the events by people who were not necessarily present at every conversation. Some of the entries could have been constructed or embellished, consciously or unconsciously, to fit a particular narrative or ideology. This applies especially to passages recorded after the war when the individuals responsible for compiling Table Talk had to rely on their memories and notes.
The fact that figures like Rosenberg and Goebbels might mention similar ideas to Hitler in their own diaries or writings does not validate every Table Talk entry.
39:38 - Utter lies that offend conscience
“None of these documents are third hand accounts [Lie], they are first-hand notes, or direct quotations of Hitler”
NotOurGuy
You know, you’d think someone would research before making such a statement? Hitler’s Table Talk is NOT a collection of first-hand, verbatim notes or direct quotations of Hitler.
The notes taken were not written as verbatim transcriptions of Hitler’s speeches or conversations. They were summarized or transcribed by those present in the room, sometimes based on memory or shorthand [Heim from 1941 until 1944]
This means that the words attributed to Hitler are NOT exact quotes but are interpretations of what he said. Heim’s notes have NEVER been authenticated. The notes are not in the “first person.”
In the words of Weronika Kuzniar:
"Hitler’s Table Talk is a worthless primary source."
45:43 - Desperation
If we got from 40:00 of the video, to 45:43, there is not a SINGLE verbatim quote from Hitler, all are interpretations from others. I frankly do not take what Rosenberg’s interpretation of Hitler’s words as Gospel. Why are we unable to take direct quotes from Hitler, such as all throughout the 1930’s?
46:41 - Every SINGLE person?
Every single person close to Hitler, almost without fail [Just contradicted his first few words], seemed to undertand Hitler had disdain for, and hated, the Body of Christ.
NotOurGuy
Goering was close to Hitler, with him since the early Party, and he said the exact OPPOSITE, I mentioned Goering’s FULL quote above, but here’s another:
"Hitler was always a Christian, he never gave up his Christian faith. He believed in God, and he always said that he wanted to protect the Church and was determined to keep it in good condition as long as he lived."
Goering, 1946
Léon Degrelle was close to Adolf Hitler, especially in the later years of World War II,
"Hitler was a Christian. He believed in the Christian values of honesty, courage, and self-sacrifice. He revered Jesus Christ as the greatest man who ever lived."
…
“Hitler was absolutely sure that the new Europe would bring complete peace and firm collaboration with the Church. This was my job every second. Hitler knew very well that I would devote my life to it. I did not want to occupy a position as a political leader after the war, but to be the man who created harmony between spiritual and temporal powers, on the one hand, and between Germanism and Latinity on the other. I know very well that for countless fanatics, we have been nothing but gross silhouettes, but I know personally what fervor and purity rested in our dream. I also know that one day Europe will rise again.”
Léon Degrelle, "The Hitler I Knew" (1977)
Also Leon said to have converted Himmler before his final days, God can save anyone, truly!
Karl Wolff personally knew Hitler and was one of his close associates.
“The Führer was Catholic and took it as a fact God’s people were European and no other. The Jews being an imposter, who was stealing our identity and claims it as his own. Adolf Hitler, the Führer was religious, that is why he never drink or smoke, and believed that he was sent by the Creator to heal Germany and raise up our folk and nation.”
Karl Wolff, 1981 interview is with SS-Obergruppenführer and General of the Waffen-SS.
You didn’t have to say “Every single person close to Hitler thought hitler hated the body of Christ” you have now, either of your own ignorance or lack of knowledge, have lied, which is sin. It is okay, thank God for our Lord Jesus Christ right? But, now that you’ve been caught in this lie, let us not fall into this foolishness again.
What you have, is almost every dead Nazi Official, many of whom were pagan, saying Hitler hated Christianity, and you have those who survived the war and were apart of his inner circle and didn’t lie [example, Speer], saying the opposite.
47:20 - Nature and God
"The sun, moon, and stars are signs of God’s glory, not objects to be worshiped."
Saint John Chrysostom
This is true, our fathers of which I believe to share the same as NotOurGuy, were not ENTIRELY misguided at the MARVELS of nature, truly they are a work of our Lord and are wonderful. I cannot speak exactly for Mahler’s exact understanding of this, but nature only exists because God will’s that it exists, and the beauty within nature, all Glory to God.
“The beauty of creation is a reflection of the goodness and order of the Creator."
Saint Basil the Great
I am sure you have heard also the fathers argue about the great Greek Philiosphers and how even they, although not having God’s coveant, were given divine wisdom and understanding, most notably Plato:
“Let us grant to the just man [a morally perfect man] the perfection of justice and strip him of everything but his justice. Let him suffer every extreme of injustice, being falsely accused and punished for crimes he did not commit. They will bind him, scourge him, and ultimately anaskolopisthēsetai (impale or crucify him). In the end, the just man will endure these trials not because of his actions, but because he holds true to his principles of justice, even in the face of such suffering."
Plato, The Republic, Book II, 361e–362a
I do not know the heart of Adolf Hitler, neither do you. What he did however do is delay the sexual revolution, transgenderism, and all the filth that was coming out of Berlin, he rebuilt churches and saved the Germans from poverty and dishonor, and he personally saved my grandmother from starvation. Whether he personally believed in our Lord Jesus Christ is between him and the Lord ultimately, but his fruits seem far more telling.
Conclusion
NotOurGuy is very disingenuous in his video, doesn’t seem to actually be listening to any points listed, and goes on irrelevant tangents in many cases. If he could humble himself, especially speaking on Christian Doctrines (of which he butchers), perhaps he’d be more honest, but until then, we pray that the foolishness of Youth in NotOurGuy fades in time, and the wisdom of the Church Fathers and Scriptures will light the path to all truths, so we can all judge every event, every subject, to the best standards.